Block
9:35 Thu Feb 28
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Darby, I agree to an extent your body is working properly.
I don't know the full ins and outs but it#'s to do with serotonin and dopamine levels in the brain which are imbalanced.
Alcohol, drugs and smoking can all effect this too - Anti depressants help the imbalance - Only issue with this because your brain starts to think irrationally you start to believe your dependent on them (I certainly do).
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Darby_
6:13 Thu Feb 28
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Things like depression really are an illness because part of you isn’t working properly. Your brain is not thinking logically.
So this nonsense about suicide being rational because “you don’t have any reason to live” is dangerous. How do you know that you don’t have any reason to live?
Life constantly changes. It may take years to get to a better place, but when you do, you’ll be glad that you didn’t give up. As Churchill said, when you’re going through hell, keep going.
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Hasans Fish Bar RIP
4:32 Thu Feb 28
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Sorry to hear that news coffee
I know exactly the mindset. I was pulled off sitting on a motorway bridge TWICE in the same day. Selfishness couldn't be further from your own mind in those moments. If anything you feel selflessness. You really can't turn to anyone and you feel you useless and helpless that you think everyone is better off without you anyway.
I got pulled off the ledge by the old bill and taken to a mental,hospital where I spent four months. I needed to be taken as I was pretty much in complete denial. I'd never go of my own accord.
I'm out the other side now and have done every type of therapy on offer and am now medication free.
I can't be complacent though. If I don't get regular exercise I can feel myself going backwards. Christmas was a nightmare. But I'm back in the routine and touch wood, feel great
Anyway, again sorry to hear the news but am heartened to hear some good stories too on this thread
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Billy Blagg
4:03 Thu Feb 28
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Tragic Coff and sorry to hear this. Cowardice? I'd say it's the exact opposite. I've had a lot of 'What's the point' type feelings these past months and I've upset a few people in saying 'I have no interest in a world that doesn't have Gail in it'. But suicide? No. I know I'll live my life whatever and, within that, hope I find something to make it worthwhile (already had a few things) and it's tragic to think your friend found that impossible to get round especially as - in real terms - there's eventually an exit from the divorce and you can start again, however difficult it is at the time. Tragic.
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alfs barnet
1:18 Thu Feb 28
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Vexed wrote...
I also have had an old friend top himself in the last few months, had kids and everything which still makes him a massive cunt in my book. What sort of shithouse does that to their kids? Here's an idea: put your shit right instead of heaping your problems onto some other cunt. Yeah I know this will be unpopular with the weak willed fairies of WHO and don't fucking care either.
Speaking from experience as one of the "cunts" that has had shit heaped on him as a result of suicide, your wrong. And if you'd experienced a fraction of what I have over the past year you'd know I'm not "weak willed".
Your solution is simplistic, which isn't really surprising, given the poster.
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Coffee
11:03 Wed Feb 27
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Good man, Bolt.
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Block
10:42 Wed Feb 27
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Coffee (my other names bolty btw) incase you didn't know.
I posted a thread on here a while back, and have constant WHOmails from people struggling who are well known posters on here - which will remain confidential obviously.
I'd help anyone out. No one needs to suffer alone. IT's fucking painful.
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Coffee
10:36 Wed Feb 27
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Block 10:30 Wed Feb 27
I was just about to reply to one of your previous comments to offer much respect for doing just that. It takes some guts to openly acknowledge these kind of problems. By posting as you did, you may have encouraged someone else to take the same sort of action as you did. You may never know if it did or who it was, but the possibility remains. Well done.
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Block
10:33 Wed Feb 27
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As part of my job, we promote Level 2 Vocational Recognised Qualifications which are accredited by Northern Council for Further Education and also Ofsted Recognised, some of the Quals are Mental Health related which I tend to lead with when speaking to businesses but mainly schools.
Honestly, you'd be gob smacked at the rejections I get. Now, if you had to pay for the courses I'd understand but these are fucking free. I had a head teacher say to me "Sorry, mental health isn't a priority right now!"
Couldn't believe my ears.
Whilst people do want to bring more awareness to the subject, people often do fuck all to educate themselves to help with the matter.
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Vexed
10:33 Wed Feb 27
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You are quite boring to be fair.
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Block
10:30 Wed Feb 27
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And when you talk about it on places like this , as I have done people tell you to shut up going on about it.
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Sniper
10:30 Wed Feb 27
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I’m really so sorry to hear this, it’s absolutely terrible. I’ve never had anyone close to me do something like this, but I know plenty of people who have close friends or relatives who have committed suicide and it’s such a devestating thing to happen that leaves so many questions unanswered and so much uncontrollable and irreversible pain behind, in such a different way than death normally does.
Anyone who hasn’t experienced depression cannot fully understand just how horrendous it is. It’s an evil, self serving, all encompassing and overwhelming illness that at least is finally getting towards the level of recognition and understanding needed to help people with it.
The general assumption that it’s just someone ‘feeling a bit low’ or that you need to be acting like some Uber-goth/Emo and never smiling couldn’t be further from the truth. People generally present as normal and happy, as the last thing you want is for anyone to know how you really feel, and there’s even often an emphasis on trying to be funny and lively to cheer other people up to stop them feeling the same as you. See Robin Williams.
It’s a scary scary place, and this country is sadly ill equipped to deal with the issues, but at least raising awareness and understanding is a step in the right direction
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ChillTheKeel
10:27 Wed Feb 27
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The biggest problem is the absolute mess our country is in when it comes to mental health. You could tell your GP you're suicidal and then be told you could have to wait over 12 months just for an appointment with a specialist.
Add to that the fact that no one gives a fuck that men still account for three-quarters of suicides in the UK and it's a sorry state of affairs.
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chiff
10:22 Wed Feb 27
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The subject of suicide has too frequently been part of my life as a number of friends and acquaintances have gone down this road. Most recently this last weekend. On every occasion I reflect on the circumstances leading up to suicide and the devistation left behind. I too have had thoughts of suicide, though friends and relatives are totally unaware of this as my true nature is naturally upbeat. Interestingly I was set free of these thoughts a number of years ago and when I was diagnosed with incurable cancer my depression did not realize.
One of the saddest developments over recent years is the drastic increase in child suiside corsed in my opinion in part by a results driven curriculum and the advance of social media.
I make no apologies for mentioning that the Bible mentions depression throughout the old and New testament and gives sound advice on how to deal with it and it is my asursion that in my case it help to replace depression with joy (note the word joy and not happiness). Happiness in my opinion is when you for example buy something, this could be a TV, car new house and the happiness is short lived where as joy lasts much longer. It is interesting that joy is seldom mentioned these days where as happiness is an obsession.
In the 23rd Psalm we read that there are times when our journey takes us through dark valley, but notice that this is a journey and not a final destination. Therefore if you wait it out and give it time things will work themselves out. This is relevant where their is a death of a loved on you need to give yourself time to greave the same is true when we experience devorce, give it time to heal!
As a Christian I have a hold of a better life in heaven, though I enjoy a good life know inspire of my physical and financial circumstances. Philippians 4:8 whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable if anything is excellent or praiseworthy think about such things.
Furthermore try to take steps to improve your life. In my case it was gardening and walking, though riding a bike in a park has benefited people I know. Listen to uplifting music. Again in the Bible king Saul had David play music to him when he was depressed.
As a Christian we are encouraged to be heavenly minded by setting our minds toward heaven and not material things. Ask yourself are you working to hard to buy that car that bigger house at the expense of your family and yourself
If you know someone in a bad way Colossians 3:12 teaches us to 'clothe ourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience
Finally seek help or encourage the sufferer to seek help.
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Vexed
10:20 Wed Feb 27
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Russ of the BML 10:09 Wed Feb 27
Fair enough, I guess it's something I won't fully understand unless I'm there myself, so hopefully never. The world needs me.
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Russ of the BML
10:10 Wed Feb 27
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Tomshardware 10:24 Tue Feb 26
Sorry to hear that. I am lucky. Never ever been there and hope I never do. For me it is a thought process that is so far from my own logical thought that I struggle to even contemplate what it must be like.
I truly hope you never feel that way again.
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Russ of the BML
10:09 Wed Feb 27
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Vexed 6:51 Tue Feb 26
Respectfully; I would argue that your comments are a little disingenuous at best.
I fully understand your view and perspective. But the question I would offer up in response is "Do you think that a person who is at a point where they are planning, in detail, their own death, is in a position to "Put their shit right?"
I am afraid that, for many, it seems that at that point all logical thought has gone and so the impact of their actions on others is not considered.
You talk about heaping their problems on others, which, yes I agree they do, but at a point when the fog hits and the utter desperation pushes a person to breaking point and the relentless pursuit of relief gets too much then, I am afraid, that thoughts of others are sadly a long way from affecting their actions.
I am not a weak will fairy but just trying to add some perspective to the debate.
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Block
9:45 Wed Feb 27
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Ignorant cunts like Vexed won't ever understand as their tiny little heads cannot comprehend the fact people often feel their friends family etc are actually better off without them because they feel like a burden to them.
I've been there, it's not nice at all.
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normannomates
2:47 Wed Feb 27
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Vexed 6.51
An opinion that is very valid.. And many share that view.
I don't agree.. But understand and respect this view
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normannomates
2:38 Wed Feb 27
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Sorry to hear this Coffee.. Its not cowardice BTW.. Bods are in desperate place..and thoughts so fucked up in that time.
The bods left behind sure do suffer bad..its just fuckin sad all round.
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BRANDED
11:18 Tue Feb 26
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Its completely rational. If there!s nothing to live for why live?
At that moment you would be completely rational.
Its the antithesis of religion.
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